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  1. Lord Of Abydos

    Hi!

    Very interesting article, much appreciated.

    As somebody who views the origins of Islam through the assumptions and worldview of traditionalist Sunni Muslim scholarship, I have not placed much weight on the principle of anachronism as a reason to discount a prophetic origin of a hadith, at least in the absence of any other compelling reason to think it a later fabrication.

    Sadeghi’s forthcoming monograph will therefore be an interesting and potentially challenging read, though I doubt it’d do much to convince me personally that traditions such as those referring to the construction of tall buildings are either too vague to pin down or unambiguously refer to events predating the stabilisation of the Hadith corpus. As you can imagine I come from a rather different set of presumptions about the nature and ubiquity of the supernatural than those espoused in the articles ‘Proving History…’ and ‘Theism and Atheism…’

    • J. J. Little

      Thank you kindly for this comment. Even though we seemingly disagree on the background probability of miracles and other such supernatural events, I appreciate the engagement.

      That said, I wonder if the arguments and considerations I cited still obtain even if you think that miracles, etc., are plausible in principle. Even if you believe that the Quran is from God and Muhammad was a true prophet, the fact that all the unambiguous historical references in Hadith are to the pre-codification era still seems like a novel prediction that confirms the “ex-eventu fabrication” hypothesis, surely?

      That said, if you reject the premise that all the unambiguous historical references are to the pre-codification era, I guess the argument would not go through.

      Regarding the hadith about “the construction of tall buildings” – does it even refer to “tall buildings”? The versions I checked only state: “you will see barefoot, naked, destitute shepherds arrogantly competing with each other in construction” [تَرَى الْحُفَاةَ الْعُرَاةَ الْعَالَةَ رِعَاءَ الشَّاءِ يَتَطَاوَلُونَ فِي الْبُنْيَانِ]. I know there are slight variations in wording, but I don’t think I’ve seen one that specifies “tall buildings”, unless I’m misunderstanding the text. But I could be missing something.

      That said, even if it said tall buildings, I think that the problems I mentioned would still apply.

      Either way, thanks for commenting!

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